I decided to have a closer look at the playing styles of the winners and losers. In a very unscientific manner, with a small sample size of 150 or so players with more than 50 hands each, I counted the winners and losers in each of the PTO playing style categories. A more comprehensive analysis would have included the $ amount won / lost, maybe later.
Anyway 7 categories had winners and 5 styles were losing. Legends for Tight, Loose, Semi, Passive, Aggressive. Brackets are probably anomolies as there were only 4 in each of the TA categories. In order of success:
- winners (TA/P), LP/A, SLP/P, SLA/A, TP/A, TP/P, T/A, and
- losers LA/P, SLA/P, LP/P, SLP/P, (TA/A).
Moral of the story is that Passivity post-flop isn't good. Sad to say that I am in the losing LA/P category. Not surprisingly, I have the same problem in NLH. Something else to work on. Any ideas on why I am LAG pre-flop and passive post flop in either game? I'm a wee bit baffled.
1 year ago
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With respect to post flop aggression:
Are you cbetting enough in NLH?
Are you trying to trap too often when you should be betting out and making people pay for cards?
Are you missing value bets?
Are you calling raises post flop too often when a reraise or fold is the better play?
Thats what i'd be looking for if my stats were showing I was too passive.
Thanks for the pointers. You have a way of crystalising thoughts.
Thinking it through, because I am so aggressive pre-flop, I often slow down on resistance to my c-bets. Where I am still ahead of their range I should fire a second shot. Also, because I slow down, I end up calling light on the river.
So here is my self-assessed balanced scorecard to work on:
C-Bet : A-
Too Trappy : B-
Value bets : B
Crying calls : C
Are there any particular stats that I need to monitor to be more objective?
Aggr stats for Limit & NLH were flop 2.0, Turn 1.1, River 1.9, Post flop Total 1.6, Agg Total 1.7.
Preflop 22.2% raise, 14.6% first in raise, preflop aggr 1.7.
I'll need to think through the Turn more!
sorry mate, can't help ya with target stats for no limit .. i'm only good for 6max fixed limit :)
Turn looks lowish though .. particularly when compared to the river
i'm sure 2p2 would have some ideas though
I don't know if you play Full Ring or 6 max when you play NLHE, but for Full Ring here is a great thread on 2+2 giving guidelines and ideas of where your stats "should" be and why.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78/micro-stakes-full-ring/official-stats-graphs-analysis-thread-158015/
Thanks for the 2+2 link. I will now go off and analyse only the FR games and let you know. Cheers.
Another thing to look at is whether you are playing your draws aggressively enough.
Winning NL players appear to me to be very aggressive with their draws (especially strong ones with >10 outs).
Drawing Aggressively : B-
This one is even more important in PLO where you can have 20+ outs (not always all winners).
PS Tried to be ultra aggressive last night. Alas, forgot the word selective and donked off a couple of BIs. Good news is that I was smart enough to step down to PLO10 for the experiment.
One of my favourite hands is the flopped OESD plus flush draw. It's the easiest shove in the world (checkraise if OOP multi way), knowing that you are an almost certain favourite.
Ah, the poker memories ...
Late one night in Crown, Melbourne, I'd ground my way to a very healthy stack when I tangled with another big stack.
I can't remember the detail but there was a sizeable multi-way pot pre-flop. The big stack moved AI on the flop. I found myself with nothing but a potentially lucrative OESFD.
I rarely tank, but this was one of those very few occassions. If I had 15 outs, its a clear shove. But were my outs really outs if the board pairs for a FH?
Long story short, I called AI to take down a very big pot. Everyone said I was lucky, but I reckon that I worked very hard for that luck and have had my fair share of grumble-free bad beats.
Thanks for reminding me :-)
The all-in call is tougher, as you don't have the fold equity on top of the draw. Against a set you are roughly a 42-52 dog, but it's almost always a call given the money in the pot already and the chance that he has two pair or a worse draw.
Thanks for the insight ... all this time I thought I was a favourite. I've only just worked out that I sucked out.
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